lawfish

Update

Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:57:10 GMT

So I am still kinda swimming around with the low limit fishes, probably for a while until I can get myself back on my feet financially (so likely not until the house is sold). But I have been doing well in the mean time. I deposited $100 a little over a month in and have turned it into over $400, which is a good feeling. That has been coupled with NO lawfish moments - unless you count sitting at the $100 NL table a LF moment, which I don't, because I wasn't chasing loses per se.

Anyway, I decided to retool my tracking spreadsheet, and included one of these niffty little charts in it:

http://www.geocities.com/patrickbj/recent.JPG

It actually goes back 1 full year, with a 3 and 6 month divider in there. But I wasn't all that good at keeping track until about 2 months ago, so the numbers are fairly inacurrate. Another thing about that chart is that it includes the $215 MTT I played for douglan in there, and also the SNG where I won the seat, so the numbers are slightly slanted toward SNGs and away from MTTs, which is important to note since there is a large positive in SNGs and large negative in MTTs.

Happy Friday Everyone!

Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:13:39 GMT

Well, it has been a while since I have gotten around to getting an update on here. As you will see, I have been very busy!

I will start with the me section:

ME!

Life has been crazy here. We listed our house on Tuesday, which means we had to get the house ready to go before then. So last friday up until right about at 2:00 on Tuesday when the papers were signed (and a little bit after that), we were cleaning, organizing, painting, cleaning, and organizing again. Then it was all the little things like putting things away so that house looked less clutterly and therefore bigger. Needless to say we had some very sore muscles a few of those mornings. So the house got put up on Tuesday, and we showed it for the first time yesterday. That was exciting, and we have a few more showings and an open house this weekend. My house has never been so clean and organized. It looks great! Anyway, that, and looking for an apartment in Boston has eaten most of my life up.

POKER

Yes, despite all this, I have found time for the game I love. I have been playing mostly as a distraction, hitting the $5 and $10 SNGs, but the 1 and the 2 tables. That has been a nice release for me while all the craziness has been going on. I have been mixing it up with $100NL cash games, and luckily I haven't been stacked yet, so the bankroll is still holding steady in the low 3 figures, which is fine by me for now. I really don't have the cash to be tossing around anyway.

I will cut it short for the day. I don't really have many comments on politics and sports. I did watch the state of the union on tuesday night along with all the comedy that provides. But I am not sure I have any new puns of comments that one could not find on google or yahoo. =)

Time to Start Over

Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:12:09 GMT

Me!

For those that have not heard the good news...I decided to accept the job offer in Boston! Yay! I think the thing I am most excited about is that this is a chance to start over. Pretty much the only constants in this move will be:
My girlfriend.

And that's about it. Yeah, I'll still probably keep most of the same furnature I have. But i killed lawfi5h on the AO. I am going to kill my stars accounts. This is a chance to start all over. So I want to take it. I am very excited about that aspect of it. Don't get me wrong, I'll probably still be playing poker, both online and in B&M (translated, at foxwoods). Bot it won't be under lawfive....or lawfi5h. ;)

Sports
Boring football weekend. I am sure one of those games was not boring if you were a fan of the winning team. Being a devout Browns fan, I wanted to cheer against the steelers, but I am a Big Ben fan, so my loyalties were conflicted, and the tie breaker was the fact that I hate the Broncos, too. So I didn't mind seeing the Steelers win that game. I could not care less about the NFC game, I just wanted to see an exciting matchup, which also led to disappointment. Sigh. Oh well. There is always hockey, I suppose.

Poker
What football lacked in excitement yesterday, poker made up for, and then some. After I gave up on the NFC game, I came down to check on freeman, since I knew he was average stack with 300 players to go. When I came down he was top 20 with 90 to go. So I settled in for some fun! After watching his heartbreaking final table bubble finish for 10th, I got another treat: watching that final table. With so many chips in play and the blinds being frozen, it had the potential to be boring. But the eventual winner didn't even participate in the chop talk, so it gave me a chance to watch them duke it out for over $160K. That, to me, was solid entertainment.

Politics
I really have been too busy with the job stuff to notice much about what is going on, except I did notice on the sunday morning talk shows (from flipping through them) that Gore and Kerry were back at it again. I really don't know what they were on those shows for, but I suspect it was the wire tapping thing. A message to the dems...next time send other people. The message instantly loses credibility when those 2 send it. Just a thought.

For future reference

Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:20:19 GMT

That Jeffo Guy gave me a brilliant idea....

For future reference:

Partypoker will now be known as the restroom, or toilet, depending on my mood.

FTP will be "da club" as in "in da club".

Stars will be the penthouse. Maybe party should be the "outhouse"...that would be a good complement to Stars.

Anyway...there will soon be new usernames out there. As they say, don't toss the baby out with the bathwater. Well I intend to do just that. Stay tuned...

WELL HELLO FRIENDS!

Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:39:43 GMT

As I still think I need an outlet to the world, I think I will use this as my own space, try to post twice a week or so, and let you know what is going on in my life a little bit too.

I think I'll try to break it up into a few categories: Poker, Political, Sports, ME!

Example:

Poker

The debate around Gigabets new SNG bet is quite acadmenic. For those fellow actuaries who have sat for course 4, you may remember a small section on Ruin Theory - or Gambler's ruin. Given a certain mean and standard devision, you can use a formula to derive expectation and the probability of ruin. What makes this problem challenging is you have to consider the buy in being large enough to actually buy in. I think with small modifications, one could use this to calculate gigabet's expection. Of course, you'd have to know his mean and std deviation, which would be easily calculated if you knew his place distribution.

Alternatively, one could work to prove this is a positive EV bet for him (regardless of magnitude), but considering assuming the probability of ruin to be 50%, and back into his mean and std deviation, or provide a range, and thus state that his mean and std dev. are very likely above that.

Just some food for thought...

Politics

So OBL has a new tape out, huh? And he claims that it is not the security at home, but the fact that they have turned their attention to Iraq that has been the reason for a lull in attacks here in America. Sounds like a victory for Bush. That provided time to beef up security.

Sports

So....ESPN said the Indians are likely to win the AL this year (said that after the world series). So what exactly are they doing in the offseason to make this true? Hmmmm

ME!

I got a job offer, which is good news. But I am still mulling it over. I have a lot to consider, and it feels like gambling to say no with no other offers on the table. We shall see

Anyway....that is just a quick example. I expect more insight into other things besides poker, but I wanted to provide an example of whats up.

Thanks for hanging in there!

The "new me"

Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:17:25 GMT

Hey, you guys may not care, but this blog will run as my documentation of my goals for the remainder of 2005:

1) Lose 30 pounds
2) Finish painting my bathroom, the living room, and the half bath
3) Eat healthier
4) Stay on top of daily chores like cleaning the kitchen and keeping my bed room straightened up.

I'll add more as I can think of them.

My last tilt....

Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:15:30 GMT

...and so resurfaces the "lawfish moment".

I don't want to disclose how much I got stuck for this weekend. Lets just say it coulda paid for 2 events in WSOP-Indiana. And to that end, I am the most pissed at myself and the bad beats.

The last bad beat I took:

don't feel like getting the hand history, but it was a $350 pot on 1/2NL. I have ATh, villian has T9o, flop is T87, 2 hearts. We get it all in right here. He has 8 clean outs and I have lots of redraw outs. Feel free to run the numbers but I guess it is 75/25.

Stupid fucker catches his 6 on the river. I literally pulled the plug from my computer when the pot went his way.

I can't begin to tell you how mad I am with myslf right now. I put that anger to good use. I emailed every poker site I have ever played on and asked them to pull the plug on my accounts. Pokerstars has already obliged. Waiting to hear back from FT and party.

So this blog will keep going, but it will not involve poker...not at least the online game.

Deva ju (all over again)

Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:56:48 GMT

I hate weekends.

I hate them very very much.

Ugh...more reality

Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:45:32 GMT

Weekend update...down almost 2 hundy.

Add 1 part donkey play, 1 part "second best hand syndrome", 1 part suckout. Mix it all together and bake at "tilt" degrees and you have a piping fresh bad weekend.

I swear, I think I am gonna stick to weekday play. It wasn't even all on FT either. Transferred my $600 over on stars to get the bonus. But a lot of it was on FT.

Maybe there is something to this "withdraw consiracy" theory.......

Back to reality

Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:13:28 GMT

Tuesday-

Didn't play much. FT was down most of the night, and I hadn't played much before it went down.

Wednesday-

Played for a little bit, but not a whole lot. I think I walked away up $30 or so.

Thursday-

Sat for a while at one table. Somehow managed to escape on the turn with QQ against AK (flop was AKx) for ONLY $14 dropped (.5/1 NL 6 max). That was my moral victory of the day (he showed it after I folded) since I dropped $20 on the day between that and 2 multis.

I think I have figured out why I like full tilts NL 6 max tables (at least at the $1 big blind level). The fish bet strong with top pair, or some players just TPTK. But then they bet like $1 or $2 with their sets and two pairs....and they min raise A LOT. Yeah, I might only make the hand I am chasing 1 in 20 times, but they pay me off for their whole bankroll. It's sick. I think sotally things I have some zen power over the players there because I get them to commit their stack. I just think they are THAT BAD.

AMAZING

Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:07:19 GMT

Warning...sort or a brag post here, but with full tilt down, I decided to dump my hands into poker tracker and measure this "rush" I have been on.

Reviewing the .5/1 NL 6 max tables only, from full tilt....these are games since September 20.

1275 hands

+816.90...which amounts to 32BB/100 (remember, BB=2) or $64/100. NO WAY this is sustainable. No way.

I have won 60.83% of the time I have gone to showdown.

Out of 23 sessions, I have had only 3 losers, and the largest loss being $20. The largest win has been over $140 (mind you, each session I am buying in for the max of $100).

Here is my favorite pokertracker stat...what happpens on the flop if I am the preflop raiser:
I have raised 6% of the time and led out 28% of the time.
I have merely called 3.4% and folded 4.27%.
I have checked 18.8% of the time (with no check raises).
The rest (39.3%) there was no flop, no action.

A key stat here....if I was the preflop raiser, I do not check raise. I do not have that in my bag of tricks. Actually, I do...but I only pull that off against a player I know it will work on. The basic premise? If I am the preflop raiser, they expect a bet from me. I will not check unless I am sure I can get a bet....not only that, I am sure that a check raise will push them off the hand....not only that, I am sure I want them off the hand. So you can see, I need a lot to get me to check raise if I am the preflop aggressor.

Here is another good one. On the river, I have only raised 2.01% of the time (% is out of hands I have seen the river). There is a leak, I think.

Another stat, sorta correlated....if I am the river aggressor (bet, raise, check raise), I win the pot 87.5% of the time. If I just call, I win 40.74% of the time. I guess that is to be expected since I can win with a fold there.

One stat I couldn't find in PT....would love to see how much money I have made calling on the river vs betting/raising the river. That would be a telling stat to me. Oh well.

Anyway, hope you enjoyed my reflections as much as I learned from them. This is what happens when the site goes down for the night. Sigh.

addendum

Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:55:54 GMT

Took down another $150 before bed time.

So make it a $350 weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WSOP-Indiana is calling my name. Maybe I ride this rush to Indiana.

Weekend Update

Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:04:52 GMT

Well, although the weekend isn't quite over, I did manage to avoid a lawfish moment...and came out $200 richer for my efforts.

Hmmmm...what to report. Not too much other than I just grinded a few SNGs out...a few ring games out....played a few multis but donked myself out before I could cash in any of them.

Still not too bad. I am pleased with my week, +$600 playing small limits (namely $20 SNGs and below...$.5/$1 NL 6 max, and $26 tournies and below).

I feel my reads are still fairly strong, but the most important "read" that I had this week was not playing when I didn't feel up to it. I stopped myself a few times this week when I was semi distracted.

Speaking of distractions....looking forward to the week, only from the standpoint that I want to start painting again. I hate painting, but I am excited to finish up a few projects around the house. The only deterent to this (that I can see) is the stars reload bonus...yeah, I know I can reload now and play later. And quite frankly I would rather do that (I have noticed that stars is more fishy 3-4 weeks after a reload bonus...typically right as they are due for another one....which means the sharks come back at bonus time). But that would mean pulling money out of full tilt to do that, which is ok....but that would leave me with a smaller roll there which I don't want. So my options are play a bunch this week and earn some money to ship over to stars, or just skip this round of bonus. But of course, if this is my toughest decision all week, I will have a good week.

Back in the Saddle again

Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:29:48 GMT

OK, so I recovered from that little lawfish moment and even have a $30 profit to show from it. So basically all the play from this week was just to break even from satruday morning. Turning the $100 deposit on sunday to over $500 is a good thing, right? So why can't I shake this feeling of "breaking even".

Sigh...oh well, my goal this weekend is to NOT HAVE A LAWFISH MOMENT. So no matter how well I am doing, do not move up a level. We shall see if I can stick to that goal.

An interesting hand last night that really made my night. First off, a bit of a tangent...I made over $100 just playing the $.50/$1 NL 6 max table on FT. That is a good feeling to double your stake. However, I also did a stud SNG and a NLHE Multi (which those 2 just about canceled each other out). I generally sit down with $100 at that game, and the game I was playing last night I was stuck $70 very fast when I overplayed TPTK. I didn't even see the showdown, I just "knew" he had me beat, and confirmed it when he showed a set on the turn. That hand was $45 in itself, so I was left with $30 on the table. That kinda sucked. I was a bit down, so i thought about closing down and saving the other $30, since I was sorta distracted by the TV. I stuck with it, though, and rebuilt all the way back up to $120 or so when this hand happened....I heard my g/f come home from work, and I was UTG+1, so i decided I wasn't going to post my BB and head up to see how her day was. I folded that hand, but from UTG I get AJd. Now at a full table, this would be a limp or fold depending on the aggressive nature of the table (I would not want to call a raise from out of position here). But given the short handed nature of the game, I don't mind a 3x raise with this hand.

To my suprize, I get 3 cold calls, and the blinds fold. I guess they have seen too many open/raises with Kx or Ax to respect my raise. No biggie. $13.50 in the pot going to the flop. Flop is 742, 2 diamonds. For those of you that know my style, you know I LOOOOOVVVVEEE this flop. So I lead out for $10. The guy to my left folds, and the next guy pops it to $20. He only has $15 left behind that, and since the next guy folded, I put him AI. He insta called with 88, no diamonds. Perfect. I love that spot. The turn pairs the board (2) and the river is 3d. DING! That made my night. I already had "sit next hand out", and my g/f was now standing behind me (I didn't even hear her come down the stairs since I was "into" this hand) and I let out a "yes!". She had a bad day at work, though, so I suspect that she wasn't as excited.

That is what I love about those NL ring games. You can push those marginal edges. That hand got me thinking too (it seems every night there is 1 hand that makes me think)....
1) What if I had 88 there? Would I raise? Would I call? If I raised, would I call a reraise?
2) What if he had more than only $15 behind his raise?

#1...I would hope I started the hand with more than $40, which means I'd raise, but let it go to a reraise. But if I had his stack, too, I'd probably lose 40BB there also.
#2 I think I would put him AI, but it would be much scarier.

This sucks so bad

Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:02:13 GMT

Why? Why is it everytime I try to "move my game up" (translated, have a lawfish moment), I get smacked back down?

We aren't talking about being outplayed here, we are talking about gut wrenching beats that make me wanna throw the f up.

I will just let these two CONSECUTIVE hands tell the story:

FullTiltPoker Game #237202656: Table Farm (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 10:49:30 ET - 2005/10/01
Seat 3: Payoffs ($802)
Seat 4: lawfive ($202)
Seat 5: Deputy Deuce ($280.50)
Deputy Deuce posts the small blind of $10
Payoffs posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [Ad As]
lawfive raises to $30
Deputy Deuce calls $20
Payoffs calls $15
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9h 8h]
Deputy Deuce bets $15
Payoffs raises to $30
lawfive raises to $45
Deputy Deuce calls $30
Payoffs calls $15
*** TURN *** [Ts 9h 8h] [5d]
Deputy Deuce checks
Payoffs checks
lawfive bets $30
Deputy Deuce calls $30
Payoffs calls $30
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9h 8h 5d] [7c]
Deputy Deuce checks
Payoffs checks
lawfive checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lawfive shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Deputy Deuce shows [5c 7s] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
Payoffs mucks
Deputy Deuce wins the pot ($314) with two pair, Sevens and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $315 | Rake $1
Board: [Ts 9h 8h 5d 7c]
Seat 3: Payoffs (big blind) mucked [7h 3h] - a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: lawfive (button) showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Deputy Deuce (small blind) showed [5c 7s] and won ($314) with two pair, Sevens and Fives

FullTiltPoker Game #237202990: Table Farm (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 10:50:06 ET - 2005/10/01
Seat 3: Payoffs ($697)
Seat 4: lawfive ($97)
Seat 5: Deputy Deuce ($489.50)
Payoffs posts the small blind of $10
lawfive posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [Qc Qh]
Deputy Deuce calls $15
Payoffs calls $5
lawfive raises to $30
Deputy Deuce calls $15
Payoffs calls $15
*** FLOP *** [6s 2d 3s]
Payoffs bets $15
lawfive raises to $30
Deputy Deuce calls $30
Payoffs raises to $45
lawfive raises to $60
Deputy Deuce calls $30
Payoffs calls $15
*** TURN *** [6s 2d 3s] [3d]
Payoffs checks
lawfive bets $7, and is all in
Deputy Deuce calls $7
Payoffs calls $7
*** RIVER *** [6s 2d 3s 3d] [4d]
Payoffs bets $30
Deputy Deuce folds
Uncalled bet of $30 returned to Payoffs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Payoffs shows [6d 9d] (a flush, Nine high)
lawfive mucks
Payoffs wins the pot ($290) with a flush, Nine high
lawfive is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $291 | Rake $1
Board: [6s 2d 3s 3d 4d]
Seat 3: Payoffs (small blind) showed [6d 9d] and won ($290) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 4: lawfive (big blind) mucked [Qc Qh] - two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 5: Deputy Deuce (button) folded on the River

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Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:03:02 GMT

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When "I don't feel like playing" turns into "wow....glad I played"

Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:59:07 GMT

Thanks to Spidurman, I jumped in the ASOP monday night. Yawn, easy win. You must think I am kidding, right? I don't know what it was, but I felt like it was in fact an easy win against tough competition. When I got to the final table, I had won tons of pots without showdowns (25ish to be approximate) and was 6 of 6 at showdown. Only one of those was a suckout where I put stuck myself with KJs against a short stack JJ.

What buoyed my stack going to the final table was a SB/BB showdown where I trusted my read and my hand held up. It was folded to me in the SB with AJ. Win Deisel was in the BB and I had given him a few walks the past few rounds. This time I raised to just under 3x. He took that as a sign of weakness, I guess, and moved AI. I had raised initially with the intent that he push back. After he did, I almost chickened out, but trusted my read and went with it. In retrospect it should have been an easy call since even if I lost, I was still average. Anyway, he had K8 or K9 and I won and proceeded to win.

Again, you probably ask "man, law must have lost it to claim an easy win". Well, the HU was the toughest part. That is only because all game, I couldn't get any action on my preflop raises. Seriously every time I made it 3x, it folded around. Once in a while the BB would call. So I'd fire out a 6x post flop bet...fold. So I started doing it once per orbit on random people's BB (I literally drew a card from a deck to pick who I'd pick on). Repeatedly, fold, fold, fold. So I kept doing it. Then someone would challenge me and I'd show them quality cards. It was amazing.

Heck, even at the final table, I called Mo's river bet with bottom pair and won that showdown. The first showdown I lost all day came 6 handed (paid 5) when Mo min bet me with trips and I called with middle pair. Honestly, I knew he had the 2 in his hand to make trip 2s. I just called to see so I could use that info later. I figured 1 min bet=400 as a monster chip leader (I had 20K of the 42K in play) was worth seeing.

So that was awesome and a much needed boost to my stars bankroll which went from $11.01 to $112.01.

So yesterday was much of the same. I didn't really feel like playing, but I kinda wanted to play while I watched the WSOP on ESPN. So I jumped in the $10 tourny on stars at 19:45 and concurrently a $13+1 2 table satellite for $215T. I donkeyed out of the satellite pretty fast and busted out of the $10 in about 100 minutes. So I jumped in a 1/2 6 max on stars to kill the rest of the time for the WSOP. I figured I'd play 2-3 orbits max and head to bed early...

However, things don't always work out like you want. I decided to stay a bit longer because I noticed this guy go on tilt and then reload for $100 and I decided I could not leave.

The hand that did it to him? I had AK and he had AA. The flop had 4 players and came out KK6. The funny thing is that we capped every street even preflop (and by we, I mean me and the guy to the AA left...the AA guy was check calling the whole way except preflop, me and him got it capped....). So basically the AA was SB, the BB was raising with me, I was raising back, and the button folded after the turn. The board paired the 6 on the river making the final board read KK662. We capped it again with 3 players. I figured by now I had to be chopping a K's full with the BB and lost my scoop on the river. Ugh. Wait a minute...my cards come up...and I scoop! wtf?

I check the HH, the SB has AA and the BB has..........T9o! LOLOLOLOLOL

Oh, I didn't mean to tangent into a donkey story, so anyway, that guy is not happy his aces got cracked. The button who had folded on the turn asks "you didn't see that coming?" to which the AA guy says "yeah, I knew I was beat, I just wanted to see how bad this site is rigged". OMG, I lost it laughing. I litterly started busting up. I was going to type "nh" to get his goat before he even said a word, but after that reply, I didn't want to scare him away. Tilt boy just started calling everything - I think to see everyone's hands. Oh man that was sick.

I made $75 off that 1 guy last night. All told, I made $50 off that table, but I dumped the hands into poker tracker to see what I made off him. Amazing.

Weekend Lessons

Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:41:27 GMT

Lesson #1 (only put it at #1 cause it is most important): Avoid Lawfish Moments. I ended up down about $150 this weekend cause I played limits I shouldn't be playing (yet). I was stuck $380 at my lowest point, but I had a good comeback grinding out the lower limits pretty much all day yesterday.

Lesson #2: Trust your reads. I could cite numerous examples all weekend of this, but one in particular was from a late night (late last night) game...the game was 2/4 6 max on full tilt. The guy immediately to my left was a classic 6 max player....he clearly had learned poker from watching NLHE on TV and was applying those concepts to a limit game. The shorthanded nature of the WPT fits well on the 6 max game, but where these players fail to adapt is to the limit nature. Anyway, I had him pegged as that type of player - which translates as follows: he will bluff often and fold quick to aggression. What does that mean? Me become calling station! Also, that means his "moves" should be pretty transparent when he does have a hand. I am picking on this one guy, but this is a recurring pattern in these games. Lets break it down, shall we?

Hand #1. I have QTo in the SB. It is folded to me. Against most all players, this will call for a raise. My hand is better than average...which means raise. I am first into a pot with a hand I want to play....which means raise. So I raise. He calls. Flop is 883. This kind of flop does not stand to benefit a hand that calls a preflop raise, HOWEVER, he could be defending his blind with almost any hand. I bet and he called right away. Interesting...at this point I feel safe that he does not have an 8. I would expect a raise or at least a brief hesitiation to decide if he should raise or call. I also feel safe he doesn't have a 3, since the type of player I described above would raise to see where they are at, or force a hand with 2 overs to their bottom pair to fold. He could have a higher two pair with a wired pair, I haven't ruled that out yet. He could have K or A high, right? I doubt he has an A....here is why. He had shown a few times that he would raise with Ax if the pot was not raised yet...even with limpers ahead of him. I took the liberty to extend that to a BB defense from a SB steal. So I am behind two pair or Kx. I am ahead of the rest of the hands. The turn brings the key card to the hand: A. Why is that key? Keep reading. I go ahead and bet again because certainly my actions signal I might have an ace. He insta-raises. Interesting. So what does this mean to me? I think I can rule out two pair with a wired pair now, as that ace does not scare him. So maybe he does have a weak ace. Maybe it is actually A8. I stick with my read and call him. I revert back to my original thought about him raising with an ace. The river is a K. That means I have the nut high card hand (I am not sure I have ever used that phrase before....cool). He could have a king, but it seems unlikely. What I am up against is very likely a bluff. I check, he quickly bets. I call. His cards come up: 94o. My Q high wins the pot. Beautiful. He doesn't say a word, but I feel this is the start of his tilt (it wasn't, from what I can tell later).

Hand 2: I have 67s in MP. I am first in....raise (this is where I generally mix up my game and sometimes call - but this particular BB had not been defending his blind, so that makes it an easy raise on a pure fold equity stand point). 94o guy calls, so does the BB this time. The flop is T62, 2 diamonds. BB checks, I bet, 94o guy calls, BB folds. The turn is the Qd. I don't like this card at all, but I continue with the lead and bet. I get raised back. I don't like my spot at all, and could be drawing dead. I fold, giving him credit for at least a higher pair, if not a made hand in the flush. He flashes K7o (with the Kd). Him showing me his cards was a huge mistake - it may have worked and got under my skin if I didn't already know I owned this guy, but in this case, it was a big blunder. First, it gives me information I didn't pay for. Second, it shows me that I am very much under HIS skin. This was only like 2 orbits after the above hand, and he was clearly trying to win a hand with a high card, too.

Hand 3: This hand was literally 6 hands later as we were all in the same positions. I had KTs, so of course...raise! My buddy calls. BB calls (hmmm...maybe I wasn't so right about the BB defending his blind...oh well, whatever). It is deja vu all over again =) . The flop is AT2. I stand to have the best hand here the way I figure. I may not either, but I like aggression on these tables so I bet. My buddy calls, BB calls. Hmmmm..... BB calling has me concerned. The turn is an A. Now this is a card I don't mind so much. It seems less likely that they are holding an ace now. So after the BB checks, I bet it out. My buddy raises and the BB folds. Now I go into psychology mode. Normally if I show a bluff after a given action, the next time I engage in a given action, it is not a bluff. If I am playing, and I show cards, its cause I want you to notice before I switch gears. So that seems likely here. He showed his bluff to get action from his turn raises. But wait...this guy wouldn't raise with trips, would he? Wouldn't he want to call one more time and get a raise on the river? That seems more like what this type of player would want to do. So let's combine those two facts together: He has a hand, but it isn't trips. Could he have JJ, QQ, or KK? Maybe, but I would think he would 3 bet me preflop with those hands (although I am not confident in that particular read). Ok, well then let's check call to showdown. I think he has a T, and if he does, I have the kicker to beat him. I call after having my mouse over "fold". I check call the river (which was a J). The board is AAJT2, which gives me AATTK. He shows T9 for AATTJ.

What's my point? Well, I rarely have one, but in this case I do. Hands 1 and 3 I put some thought into the hand - which is fairly rare at these tables since the action is fast. I generally put it in overdrive and let the mouse do the work. I think hand #2 demonstrates what i mean by that. Straight up and down poker would indicate that is the right move there. Actually, even with some thought, I think I would have made the same move because even a soft player picks up a hand now and then...and if you aren't bluffed out of pots, you are playing too many of them. But he cost himself money by showing his cards. I am certain I would have folded the third hand had he not shown his cards. He would have left enough doubt in my mind, and my "read" would have been that he makes his moves with good cards on the turn - as most players would.

It would have been a good weekend had it not been for my stupidity in playing the 8/16 game. I could have owned that game but took a nasty beat right away. I sat down with $200 which is probably not enough for the game. My very first hand I get dealt 9Ts. There are 2 callers, the SB mucks, and I check. The flop is T87 with 2 spades. I bet, 2 calls. The turn is a 5, so spade. I still feel like I have the best hand so I bet. Call, call. The river is a Q, no spade. That card makes me sick, and I can feel I just got beat. I check cause I will call 1 bet to see showdown, but I don't want to go for 2 bets. I check. Bet, raise. Ugh. I have to be beat, so i fold. The first better calls. The first better has 9Q, the raiser has JQ. Sigh. $100 go bye bye now - and the tilt that insued cost me the rest of my buy in. Bad game choice. Bad bad game choice.

Oh well, thanks for listenen.

Back from vacation

Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:57:59 GMT

Guess who's back...back again....and so on... =)

Vacation was good. I could go on and on about vacation, but the critical part (related to poker) was it was nice to get away from the online game for about a week. Needless to say, when I returned, I was itching for action. I watched the ITM part of the WCOOP15 for a bit, and was reading hands like nothing. I felt good about my game and was aching to play. I didn't want to play sunday night as I was tired from traveling, and I took Monday off since I wanted to recover. I played a little 6 max limit on party, dropped about $30, and called it a day. I just wasn't in the mood.

Then tuesday hit and I was ready to rock. I had $295 in my party account and was looking for a game. The $20+2 MTT shootout was about to start so I jumped in. I like to play 6 max limit in the early stages of a tourny...no fancy moves, no bluffs, just up and down poker. So I jumped in a 5/10 game with $250 (basically what was left in the account). I took bad beat after bad beat. I normally don't like to complain about beats, but it was bad. 2 and 3 outters left and right on the river - a few flush draws making their hand - and of course gut shot straights. Oh well...that kinda sucked and took the wind out of my sails. In the mean time, I won the first table of my shootout, and party gave me $45 for my trouble. You know what that means? back the limit tables to make some money back. Except I felt like depositing $100 into FT instead. I did that, made like $11 or something puny, and started the second round. I was getting bored sitting there, so I played some more 6 max on FT while in the second round of the MTT. Made like $50 and was happy. I finished 2nd in the 2nd round, and took $48 or so from that. So now I have $90+ burning a hole in my account on party. back to the 5/10 tables. Bye bye first and second round winnings. Sigh. Back to FT while I wait for round 3. Made another $40.

So lets recap. Round 3 is about to start. I made $101 on FT, made $93ish in the party MTT, but dropped roughly $350 in party ring. Ouch. Time to stop the bleeding and focus on this MTT. I only played the MTT for round 3, took 3rd for about $72. I didn't play anymore ring. I wanted to focus on round 4. 18 players went in, I was about 1/2 avg with only about 10BB...and it paid top 3 from this round. I sucked out a lot, but still bubbled for 4th place and no more cash. I bubbled out with AK vs AQ which made it suck even more, especially since even 3rd would put me in the black for the day.

Oh well, all in all a $100 loss on the day isn't THAT bad, especially given where I had been thoughout the day. It is just a little disheartening.

On a side note, I think I am only gonna play party for their multis and multi table SNGs. I hate their ring games and their STT SNG. HATE THEM. I have no idea why I keep going back. I think it was cause I thought it was fishy, but it seems to be drying up...but their MTTs certainly do not feel that way to me. I still love full tilt, despite their tendancy to cash people out slow. But generally all it takes is a quick reminder to the cashier, and I have been ok. Then of course there is stars, my all around favorite site to play. So for now you are likely to find me in 1 of those 2 spots....that is...once stars gets another reload bonus fired up. =)

Catch y'all on the flip side.

Yo Yo Day

Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:50:17 GMT

I decided on my drive into work that today would be my last poker day before I leave for Cancun (which is Sept 13, 7AM!!!!). I had my reasons, but they were mostly 3 fold:
1) It would be nice to spend the last few days this week tieing up loose ends so I can really enjoy the trip (bills, clean the house, etc etc).
2) I didn't want to have a bad run of cards this week to get me down.
3) Related to 2 sorta, I have been rushing mad the last 3 weeks and wanted to take some of that profit and run, so (a few minutes ago) I was gonna take all my money offline so that after Cancun I can "restart" my own personal system at a lower limit.

But first, before I tell you about the fun that was today....this weekend! Drove to Akron for the 6:00 wedding. I was glad it was at 6, cause I got to watch the first half of the Buckeyes game, which was all I needed to see to know they had it in the bag. Got up there and met up with my g/f's mom, sister and dad. The wedding was a nice catholic wedding (translated, loooooong). I was drifting off thinking about poker and various situations I have encountered this week....which is weird forcasting for the hand I will post at the end of this update since I kinda day dreamed this type of scenario.

Anyway, got back on sunday and didn't play too much this weekend after that, except for a $100 live game 6 man s&g sunday night...which I took 5th in. Some interesting hands, but pretty straight forward play, so not worth mentioning now. Before today started I had been on an amazing rush, turning just the $30 I had online litterally into 4 figures in 21 days. The key? No lawfish moments and world class MTT play. So I decided today I would push the envelope a bit and either have a nice score, or remind myself why I was doing so well this week (avoiding the big games). I had set a floor for myself of $300...lose that, and I am done for the day. So I eased into my day with a $30+3 3 table SNG on party. First orbit I get JJ UTG. I raise 4x. MP min raises me. I don't like that, but I can easily call. Flop is AJ3. My set wasn't as good as his set. It was obvious he was intending to trap me since he smooth called my flop bet. I decided I'd trap him here, so I checked. That is when he bet, and pretty much insta-called my all in.

I was warm, and kinda tilted. I jumped in the 5/10 6 max on party. I got rivered twice for a $90 and $120 pot, which tilted me further. After I lost my $150 stake in that game, I walked away. I went up and watched some TV and ate dinner. After a few hours, I regrouped and jumped in a soft 5/10 6 max game on stars. I sat down with $150 and decided to stand up at $340. Not too shabby, and that brings me up $7 for the day!! Woo Hoo! Of course, if I just withdrew that money off of party and deposited to stars, I'd be $36 richer (via bonus), but hey, hind sight is 20/20, right?

After going upstairs to do some laundry, I decided to take a step back to the game that has made me so much money the last few weeks...2/4 6 max on party. Except I forget this game is tougher during bonus whoring season. The guy that sat down next to me sat down with $850 and was a maniac...raising every pot that was unraised to him and going to showdown. So, since he was on my right, I decided that I'd exploit this and 3 bet with any hand better than average. Good strategy...but high variance. I was way up and way down very fast, and after I went through my $100 stake on there, I decided I had enough punishment at that table. So I stood up down $93 for the day. Yuck. Then I almost had a lawfish moment. Well...I did have a lawfish moment. I jumped on the 10/20 6 max game with $300. I dropped all the way down to $150 and was steaming, but then had a monster hand and got my stack back to $307...and then stood up. I wasn't playing my game and didn't feel comfortable at all. I think my "line" right now is 5/10 - 10/20 cause at 5/10 I still feel like I can play my game (lead with top pair, no trapping whatsoever, continuation bets while I am the aggressor, etc etc) which has been very very profitable as of late. But at 10/20 I found myself scared to lead at a pot where I had raised preflop if the flop missed. I found myself trapping in that monster hand, and I think in the long run that was negative EV (it wasn't in that hand because he had KK and the board was JJxxx...I had AJ...so I needed to let him keep betting). SO anyway, after that, i was down $86 on the day, and sorta content to leave it at that.

I went up and watched the WSOP but got bored with the PL Omaha (sorry guys). So I jumped in a $30 SNG. Was chip leader (but just barely) with 5 left...and then a few hands laster was in 2nd and then this hand happened:

PokerStars Game #2516766877: Tournament #12244248, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/09/06 - 23:24:48 (ET)
Table '12244248 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: quikmic (2770 in chips)
Seat 4: bus34 (2930 in chips)
Seat 6: lethallisa25 (1445 in chips)
Seat 7: hamp4pres (3285 in chips)
Seat 8: lawfive (3070 in chips)
quikmic: posts small blind 75
bus34: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [As Kc]
lethallisa25: folds
hamp4pres: folds
lawfive: raises 300 to 450
quikmic: raises 2320 to 2770 and is all-in
bus34: folds
lawfive: calls 2320
*** FLOP *** [6s 3h Th]
*** TURN *** [6s 3h Th] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [6s 3h Th 4h] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
quikmic: shows [Js Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
lawfive: shows [As Kc] (high card Ace)
quikmic collected 5690 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5690 | Rake 0
Board [6s 3h Th 4h 2d]
Seat 1: quikmic (small blind) showed [Js Jd] and won (5690) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: bus34 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: lethallisa25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hamp4pres folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lawfive (button) showed [As Kc] and lost with high card Ace

I still feel like it was the best play, although when I saw the JJ I was a bit unhappy to have all my chips at risk for a coinflip there before the flop came out.

When I ran the EV numbers, though, I got a shocking result (shocked me at least): before the hand real $ EV was $60.23; if I fold, it is $53.60; if I call and lose, it is $8.35, call and win it is $94.89...given that my chip EV for the hand is .431, my $ EV is $45.65 (source: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~sharnett/ICM/ICM.html). Of course, this marginally simplifies the effect of a chop pot, but I think the conclusion is the same. This was the type of hand I pondered during the wedding. Conventional wisdom says this is an easy call, but my gut has always felt that it wasn't. It seemed to me that a call with AK here was overplaying the hand. Now grant it, if you want to take a Bayesian approach and assign a range of hands that includes Ax, this could be a good long run call. That will be another analysis for another day. But the table was VERY passive and tight, and I could probably have assigned with some certainly a high percntage chance that he had a pair. That, and the EV calculator that is my source obviously assumes even skill. I considered myself a better post flop player than the avg post flop play of the remaining 4, and since the preflop play was very passive to that point, I proably shoulda considered that, too.

Oh well...good cheap lesson to be learned. SO I dropped $119 for the day which stings a bit considering it is over 10% of my online roll (I have been measuring everything lately in terms of what I actually have online - including neteller). However, I can't complain, cause even considering the weekend I am up since thursday, let alone the past 22 days.

Lets see..$900 every 22 days? Only need 244 or so days to get an entry to the WSOP. If I counted right, I think I have that much time. :D Like I said, today was kind of a stinger, but in retrospect, I think it stung more because I deviated away from the formula that got me there, even if this is still just a short term result. So this will probably be the last update for a few weeks since I am taking this week off from poker to get ready to go. I have a few ideas wrt global bankroll management that I am excited to tackle.

Oh..sorry for the lack of spell check, grammer, and heck, probably even flow. It's a tad late and I need a rest.

See y'all on the flip side.

OK night for a multi

Fri, 02 Sep 2005 04:14:19 GMT

PokerStars Tournament #11805605, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
1417 players
Total Prize Pool: $14170.00
Tournament started - 2005/09/01 - 19:45:00 (ET)

Dear lawfive,

You finished the tournament in 20th place.
A $63.77 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

You earned 169.25 tournament leader points in this tournament.
For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at
http://www.pokerstars.com/tlb_tournament_rankings.html

Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some interesting observations from this multi. I never until the end made an undisciplined push. The only reason I even did in the end was cause I had 18K after posting a 3K BB and I actually believed my JK was the best hand since the button shortstack (had me covered though) was first to act all in.

The big thing on the AO forum, which I am adamant against, is that you need to start pushing like a maniac at the 6-7BB range. Well when you got 3 big stacks to act after you that have 40+BB, that ain't that smart. Tonight's multi really coulda been a clinic on MTT style...when to change gears and speed up, when to start picking your nose, etc. It was perfect. I was just too afraid to push with my 8 high - which was the best I saw those last 2 orbits. But when you are putting in 2BB/orbit and you only got 7BB, that is enough to bleed ya to death - too few chances to be the first in the pot.

The other thing, kinda related, is I never gave up. I went through the first hour and came out with 1450. The avg was like 3500. Then I killed that hour with really only a few hands, but made some good reads and did my thing. Then the 3rd hour, right up to the end, sucked again. But I never lost my patience. Even after the money bubble, I made a bad read when 11/84 or something like that against the chip leader...cost me 40% of my stack and knocked me below avg and below 10x...but I managed to hang tough.

I wish I did 19 places better, but I am content...got some good stuff to reflect on from this tourny, and managed to swell the bankroll a bit. Ended with another positive day buoyed by a $150 day on party.

Been playing a lot (I mean A LOT) the last week, kinda looking forward to a respite this weekend. Although I am not looking forward to the weekend's activities, per se, as they include driving far enough that it will probably cost $50 round trip. Ugh. But...on a positive...the weekend does end with a cookout and $100 live game on Labor Day itself with some of my poker buddies here in columbus, so I am looking forward to that.

Catch y'all on the flip side.

WOW WHAT A RUSH

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:10:03 GMT

PokerStars Game #2453208958: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2005/08/29 - 20:05:18 (ET)
Table 'Paaliaq II' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: nazzdog ($248 in chips)
Seat 2: DON CHALE ($175.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SCOTT 1242 ($130 in chips)
Seat 4: lawfive ($243.50 in chips)
Seat 5: pens66 ($131 in chips)
Seat 6: adroit9119 ($317 in chips)
nazzdog: posts small blind $2
DON CHALE: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [8h 8d]
SCOTT 1242: folds
lawfive: raises $5 to $10
pens66: calls $10
adroit9119: folds
nazzdog: calls $8
adroit9119 said, "ty"
DON CHALE: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Th Qh 8s]
nazzdog: checks
DON CHALE: checks
lawfive: bets $5
pens66: calls $5
nazzdog: calls $5
DON CHALE: folds
*** TURN *** [Th Qh 8s] [8c]
nazzdog: checks
lawfive: bets $10
pens66: folds
nazzdog: raises $10 to $20
lawfive: raises $10 to $30
nazzdog: raises $10 to $40
Betting is capped
lawfive: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Th Qh 8s 8c] [7s]
DON CHALE said, "need a heart so bad i could taste it"
nazzdog: bets $10
lawfive: raises $10 to $20
nazzdog: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lawfive: shows [8h 8d] (four of a kind, Eights)
nazzdog: mucks hand
lawfive collected $172 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $175 | Rake $3
Board [Th Qh 8s 8c 7s]
Seat 1: nazzdog (small blind) mucked [Js 9s]
Seat 2: DON CHALE (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: SCOTT 1242 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lawfive showed [8h 8d] and won ($172) with four of a kind, Eights
Seat 5: pens66 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: adroit9119 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Today's Epiphany

Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:13:52 GMT

This game (hold em) is easy when:
-You are holding the nuts (had to get the easy one out of the way first, it will get deeper as I go) - and even easier when there isn't a draw out there that can take your nuts away. =)
-You are the big stack at a table full of passive fishes.
-The deck is smacking you straight in the face and wiggling around like a fish on the deck of a boat.
-and for today's epiphany....when you play straight forward poker against low limit fishes. Today is a bit of a downer, giving back some of my wins from the weekend, but I have turned Hummer's $10 from 2 weeks ago into over $300 on stars. How? Playing low low limit games and eliminating the fancy crap. Bet when you got it, fold when you don't. Of course "when you got it" is up for a lot of interpretation" but you get my point.

Anyway...I got crap to do today, so not "too" much poker being played today, but I am energized by my first weekend as a "pro". I am still trying to build a good playable bankroll from "scratch" which is challenging, but it allows me to work on the biggest weakness in my game - avoiding lawfish moments. =)

1 s&g

Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:09:11 GMT

--$10+1 3 TABLE NLHE on stars
-Key hand early. Not key..just interesting...had TJ suited, flop came 956, 2 hearts. SB bets out about the pot, I muck, button calls. Turn is 8, river is 7. Oh well. Good laydown, funny result.
-You can't teach this:
PokerStars Game #2422540791: Tournament #11745376, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/08/25 - 20:43:15 (ET)
Table '11745376 3' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Yinian (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: dray05 (1750 in chips)
Seat 3: lawfive (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: DubbleStuff (1740 in chips)
Seat 6: OrigWrangler (2940 in chips)
Seat 7: CGS28 (1010 in chips)
Seat 8: 1LungGuy (1450 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: crush712 (1740 in chips)
dray05: posts small blind 15
lawfive: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [8d 3h]
DubbleStuff: folds
OrigWrangler: folds
CGS28: folds
1LungGuy: folds
crush712: folds
Yinian: folds
dray05: calls 15
lawfive: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7d 3d]
dray05: checks
lawfive: bets 60
dray05: calls 60
*** TURN *** [Jc 7d 3d] [6s]
dray05: checks
lawfive: bets 90
dray05: calls 90
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7d 3d 6s] [Th]
dray05: checks
lawfive: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dray05: shows [Qd 2d] (high card Queen)
lawfive: shows [8d 3h] (a pair of Threes)
lawfive collected 360 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 360 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 7d 3d 6s Th]
Seat 1: Yinian (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dray05 (small blind) showed [Qd 2d] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 3: lawfive (big blind) showed [8d 3h] and won (360) with a pair of Threes
Seat 5: DubbleStuff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: OrigWrangler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: CGS28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 1LungGuy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: crush712 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

-PokerStars Game #2422622151: Tournament #11745376, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/08/25 - 20:53:11 (ET)
Table '11745376 3' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Yinian (4970 in chips)
Seat 3: lawfive (1810 in chips)
Seat 4: fghy (1665 in chips)
Seat 5: DubbleStuff (1885 in chips)
Seat 6: OrigWrangler (2895 in chips)
Seat 8: 1LungGuy (1375 in chips)
DubbleStuff: posts small blind 25
OrigWrangler: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lawfive [Qd Qh]
1LungGuy: raises 100 to 150
Yinian: folds
lawfive: calls 150
fghy: folds
DubbleStuff: raises 1735 to 1885 and is all-in
OrigWrangler: folds
1LungGuy: calls 1225 and is all-in
lawfive: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 3d Jd]
*** TURN *** [2h 3d Jd] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [2h 3d Jd Th] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DubbleStuff: shows [Ad Kd] (a pair of Deuces)
1LungGuy: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Deuces)
DubbleStuff collected 1475 from pot
1LungGuy collected 1475 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2950 | Rake 0
Board [2h 3d Jd Th 2s]
Seat 1: Yinian folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lawfive folded before Flop
Seat 4: fghy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DubbleStuff (small blind) showed [Ad Kd] and won (1475) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: OrigWrangler (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: 1LungGuy showed [Ks As] and won (1475) with a pair of Deuces

Busted 16th after I played like a donkey. Enough for me today, i am still rattled from work

NET LOSS = $11

Update

Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:23:41 GMT

Guess who's back.....back again....